Is the way the Native Americans used a buffalo "all right" in the eyes of a vegan?

They used every part and only killed what was needed.....

They didn't mass produce animals in unbearable conditions and make them suffer pain like some vegans said in my other vegan question.

The funny thing about vegans is how hypocritical they are. There are millions and millions of insects and animals(rabbits, gophers, etc..) killed every year when fruit and vegetables are grown and harvested. That is OK by them though, because they only support something until it is to inconvenient to support. They choose to conveniently ignore that though, and happily eat the fruits and vegetables that were the cause of the murders of those millions of deaths, then try to make us normal people feel bad because we choose to actually eat the animals that were killed, while theirs just goes to waste. They can try to counter that with their propaganda, but Remember I am not the one that has a moral qualm about killing animals.


Their arguments are always about not taking animal life, but what makes an animal better than an insect? For that matter makes an insect life better than a plants life? Me, I am better than plants, animals, or insects, so I have no qualms eating any of them(except insects, that is nasty, but if i HAD to, I would), if it means me continuing to live. I would love to see what a "vegan" would do, if a starving bear were after them, and trying to kill them. I wonder if it would be "all right" for them to take the life of that bear, or if they would lie down and die.

So ham, you didn't really want an answer, you just wanted someone to pat you on the head and tell you that it's ok to be ignorant. Why even bother? What are you adding to the community? Nothing. Trolls add NOTHING, other than the occasional humour. Laughing AT them, not with them. lol. Report Abuse

Haha. My answer was well thought, and rational. I cannot comprehend how you could consider that trolling. I did mess up in my answer though, I meant most Vegans, as not all are like what I described. Report Abuse

Ricky won this question. He's not trolling he's a ******* genius. He has summed up most vegans perfectly. Anyone who denies that is an idiot. I'm trolling, he's brilliant. Learn the difference, stupid. Report Abuse

I do not eat meat for health reasons and because the methods of raising,slaughtering and processing the meat are hugely inhumane and unsanitary.
I live in New Mexico, where there are plenty of Native Americans who eat meat, both store bought and hunted.
Several of my Native friends pray and ask for the permission of the hunted animal before they shoot or consume the animal.
I do not have a problem with either kind of consumption, because it has nothing to do with me or my way of eating.
In other words, it is none of my business.
Your question is divisive and serves no useful purpose that I see; unless you are trying to start a Vegan vs Carnivore argument.
Good luck.

I think they do have a problem with it, because the Native Americans did actually kill and eat the animals. It doesn't matter that they used all of it and were prudent with it, they still killed and ate an animal.

Honestly, I am okay with it as well.

There is a definite respect involved in the Native Americans use of animals. They were seen as "brothers" on the earth.

Today, most omnivores don't consider animals as anything more than a commodity, something they own and take advantage of.

Personally, I don't need to exploit animals for any of my survival needs.

Well, this is one vegetarian with Native American blood who has no problem with that concept. In the days of buffalo hunting, you had to work hard just to survive. You couldn't be picky about where your food was coming from. Native Americans used what was available, and they did so with respect for the animal who was providing them with food. It was customary in many tribes to offer a pinch of tobacco and a prayer to the spirit of the animal that you took.

Contrast that with people like "Buffalo Bill" Cody and the so-called "sportsmen" who slaughtered buffalo by the hundreds and left them to rot on the plains after taking just the hide for the buffalo skin robes that were very popular back then.

The Native Americans hunted for necessity, not sport or luxury. I can't imagine anyone who understands anything about what it took to live in those days having a problem with the way that they handled buffalo hunting.

They don't do that today because they have
evolved. Why judge a culture for something
done in the past that was done as a means
of survival. Besides I don't think they had
nutritionists or a food pyramid back then as a
guide for proper nutrition.

We are no longer Vikings, Celts, Spear chucking
Bushman, or Toma-hawking Natives. We have
knowledge of all types of things they didn't have
back then. Therein lies the difference that makes
us capable of better choices than what they had.

Back in the day that the Natives lived off the land entirely, yes I think that was ok because at that point it was necessary for their survival. If they were to continue the practice in the modern era I would not think it was ok, simply because it's completely unnecessary.

What exactly is your point? Back then, there were no supermarkets and they needed to use what was available for survival.

One person cannot speak for all vegans. Just like one omnivore cannot speak for all omnivores.

Some may be fine with it, as long as everything that is harvested is used 100%.

Others may not be because they view meat as unhealthy.

Still others may no be because they don't condone the killing of an animal for pleasure. Since our bodies do not need meat or fur/leather to survive, then the only reason it would be killed is for pleasure.

There is no need, other than psychological, for meat and animal products. No matter how many undereducated people want to say otherwise, the mere fact that vegans continue to survive, and even better, THRIVE, proves any "we need to kill animals" arguments as false.

It certainly beats the way americans do it. I respect the way the Native Americans did it, but I am still of the mindset that animals shouldn't have to die in order for us to sustain ourselves, when we can get everything we need from natural sources. However, I do respect and recognise the fact that the Natives used the skins for clothing and warmth. I guess you have to make do with the resources available. I have enough resources that I don't need to consume or wear dead animals

with the whole thing about killing the buffalo and eating it and the vegans liking it or not, I don't think that matters too much because the Indians lived over 100 years ago, and vegans cant change the past. Also, I used to live on a Indian Reservation out in South Dakota, and all the Indians ate meat so I guess if you want to argue with the history book about what the Native Americans ahould have eaten, by all means go right ahead and do because you wont get very far. But seriously to answer you question I don't have a problem with it and I am a vegetarion. So good luck and what ever research you are doing.

i be ok with that, i'm vegan

I do think the way Native Americans used buffalo is ok. They prayed for the animals before and after they killed them. They used to use every part of the animal. The animals lived a free and happy life before they died. And even thier death was quick.

It depends on the vegan. For most vegans I've met, the reason they don't eat animal products is because of the unnecessarily horrible living conditions afforded to animals raised for meat, dairy, eggs, etc. To my knowledge, Native Americans didn't have factory buffalo farms.

In response to Ricky, whose answers I've seen a lot of in the Vegetarian section... for many vegans (all of the ones I know personally), veganism is about preventing suffering of animals. Insects and small animals killed in the farming process don't have to live in cages the size of their bodies for their entire lives. Have you ever had a conversation with a vegan?

And if a bear were after me, and I had the power to kill it, I would. Your characterization of vegans is childish and has not convinced anyone to turn meat-eater. You ask, What makes an animal better than a plant? An animal has a central nervous system, an animal can feel pain just as a human can. It's funny that you demand answers to these questions from vegans, but provide no argument to back up your statement, "me, I am better than plants, animals, and insects." And newsflash, humans are animals.

First of all, I've heard that Native Americans were considerably more brutal in their killing of buffaloes. I've heard that they ran numbers of them off cliffs (on horseback) in order to kill them and that any "extras" that were killed were simply left unused. I don't think that is alright by anyone's standards.

Second, vegans believe that humans don't need animals for survival-period. They don't need the meat, bones, fur, etc.-nothing. So, if someone uses the entire animal that shows the need for all parts of that animal, which completely contradicts everything a vegan stand for. In short, the answer is no, that is not "alright".